I thought the song performed by Rage Against the Machine was more modern, but I found the Bruce Springstein version to have more meaning. I think allt he noise in the RATM version blocked out the message from the lyrics. I also found the lyrcs create an image of a depression in this time. Shama K p6
After listening and watching the songs about the ghost of Tom Joad, I realized the songs acted as a summary for the highlights of Tom Joad’s life. From the mention of the highway, to a mention of preaching and to the singers exclaiming a “Fight against the blood and hatred”, the songs presented the importance of Tom Joad’s life. First, to get it out there, the second song stunk. Not that I’m trying to offend someone’s cousin or whatever but the song sounded like a bad Guitar Hero solo that could not be understood. But the few phrases I did understand matched the lyrics of the other two clips. In each of the three, the chorus seemed to refer to the phrase, “the highway is alive tonight”. This is appropriate because most of Tom’s life took place on Route 66. Next, there was always a constant mention of a campfire and a new world life. The campfire acts as a connection and the new world life is what Tom wanted to fight for. So it is apparent that there were many quick themes constantly mentioned that sums Tom’s life. Little symbols of his journey are what make these songs so unique.
I thought the song did a great job at showing the despair and hardships of the all of the migrant workers. The words are a lot more powerful together in the song rather than alone. The sayings come together and display the true message of the Grapes of Wrath. I thought the quote “No home no job no peace no rest.” was very powerful. It gave me a good sense about how horrible these people were living on a daily basis. “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land.” showed how the migrant families couldn't turn back. They could only go one way to California because they spent all of their money on a car and supplies. They had nothing left and were living off of hope. I also thought that Bruce Springsteen had a very calming voice and fitted the song well.
"Ghost of Tom Joad" -->In general, I thought the lyrics of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" by Bruce Springstein were so creative! But there was one line in this song that, to me, summed up the whole Joad journey. It was the line that said "No home no job no peace no rest." When you think back on the story, the Joads had no home, they didn't have a steady job, and they really didn't get much rest. The part of that line that really got me was "no peace." Even after all our GOW discussions, I never even thought about the fact that the Joads didn't have any peace whatsoever! They were always moving and stressing over what to next. Ma was always putting others before herself and was never once at ease. They left the peace the had on the land that they had lived on. I think this all relates back to the theme, the "love of the land and its people" because it was where they felt the most comfortable and it was their homeland. This time period was not peaceful at all and for some reason "lack of peace" never clicked in my mind.
Question: Do you think the Joads ever felt peaceful during their journey?
"Wherever somebodies fightin for a place to stand For a decent job or a helpin' hand Wherever somebody is strugglin' to be free"
The song is clearly about more than just a book and the charachters just trying to get money. He talks about cops beating guys and blood and hatred in the air. The song seems to be about something deeper. It was cleaver of Springstein to use Tom Joad and GOW as a simile. Do you think he might be making a connection, nont just telling a story? I see plenty of people strugeling, ive seen and heard of people being beaten; not only in GOW. I think he used Tom Joad as an example as well as a charachter for his own feelings on what did and still does go on in the world. Is Springsteins song about more then just Tom Joad's story?
I found it really interesting to hear both songs. It’s amazing how one band can make a song sound completely different from another band. I personally like Bruce Springsteen’s version better. The way he sang it, it seems that he connected to the song more and they type of instruments and the style really made the song jump out at me. I feel the Rage Against the Machine version didn’t click as well. The lyrics themselves were really great. I really loved how they took Tom’s speech from the book and integrated it into the song. As I listened to the song and the lyrics, I could see what they were portraying and it made me to connect to GOW even more. The line that really made me think of GOW, besides Tom’s speech was, “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land,” That one line basically summed up the book for me because the whole journey got started because of the handbills being handed out to portray a new, better life in California.
I found that Bruce Springsteen's version of the song held more meaning to the book than Rage Against The Machine's. The lyric "No home no job no peace no rest," really stood out to me. It did a great job of describing the pain and anguish that the families of this era must have felt. Tom's speech in this song was also very powerful. It made a strong connection to the book and had so much meaning. The lyricist of this song did a great job of capturing this era and connecting to GOW, I was able to visualize these lyrics especially in the first stanza.
Aside from slight variations in phrasing and words, the lyrics of both songs are fundamentally the same and carry the same messages from the book. However, like previous posts, I believe that Bruce Springsteen's version did have more relevance to the book because of its genre of music and the instruments used. The quote "Goin' some place, there's no turnin' back" from the Rage Against the Machine version especially stood out to me because it essentially summarizes the source of the Joads' hope. However, both songs seemed to literal to me. Although both addressed themes like people in constant motion, and that Tom Joad represents every other man who stood up to oppression, phrases like "Bathin' in the city aqueduct" etc. brought down the song's value for me.
I feel that Bruce Springsteen's version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" was better than Rage Against the Machine's version. This is because it was slower so the message was portrayed more clearly. Also, the mood of the song went along better with the lyrics in Springsteen's version because it was a more down-beat and quieter song so it relates to the depressing story line of GOW. The lyrics of the songs definitely reflect what the time period was like during GOW and they were both really good versions. However, Bruce Springsteen just did a better job with his version. -Jess Blitz p.5
If you listen to both versions of it, Rage Against the Machine really does a nice job of showing the anger of someone that would have dealt with the things most of the migrant families dealt with back during the dust bowl. The RATM version also gives off a sense of revolution, like the whole point of the title GOW. That wrath is their anger which will burst eventually and Rage's version shows that anger boiling, giving me the sense of "Wow something is gonna go down sooner or later". Also, its last few lyrics are about Tom's speech to his mom, which is all about his realization of what Casey was going to do, which was to start that revolution. Whereas Springsteen's version is much more somber and shows the pure sadness of those people. The song is mainly all about the book, but in many cases, I feel it really relates to present day poverty. It all has to do with prevailing in times of injustice, like police brutality, etc. Going back to Rage's version, I found it interesting because I knew this song for theirs for a long long time and I never knew the song related to GOW, so it was cool listening to it and really hearing how the song is just like the whole book.
I personally would choose Rage's version to jam to, but Bruce's version definitely gave a more authentic feel. Bruce was trying to (and did) show the hardship and pain that migrant workers dealt with. Rage probably chose to do a cover of this song because one of the themes of the book was joining together as one. The feel of their version was definitely angry and I felt they were more saying "Everyone get together! We can make this better if we work together!" without changing the lyrics.
Ryan, your post made me laugh. Onar, yours was excellent too! We're definitely thinking similar things about the songs.
When I listened to both versions I definitely have to agree with everyone when they say that Bruce Springsteen's version brought out the despair and pain of the time. However, I feel like the RATM's version is the new version of pain and anger for our generation. Instead of being quiet and not doing much about anything, we're more vocal about everything. Which I feel is what RATM shows in their version of the song. Kind of like Breaking Benjamin and Three Days Grace do in their songs.
In my opinion, having heard both of these songs before, I really understood both songs equally. The difference for me though, was one (Springstein's version) was easier to pay attention to because of the vocalist, while other was one that a crowd is more likely to shout along with.
Noah P period 5
p.s. i posted on that other blog entry and forgot to sign my name. woops.
After listening to both versions of The Ghost of Tom Joad, I feel that Bruce Springstein's interpretation of the song better captured the mood of the Dust Bowl Era. First the song was slower which allowed you to listen to the lyrics more closely and find a deeper meaning behind them. Also, I think Springstein really sang from the heart and embodied the hurt and hopelessness of the migrant workers through his singing. I think the instruments used such as the harmonica and acoustic guitar better fit the time era of Grapes of Wrath. You could actually imagine it being played around the campfire at one of the camps described in the book. I think Rage Against the Machine’s version was an interesting interpretation of the song but I found it too modern to capture the true spirit of the migrant workers.
Both versions of this song are very meaningful and they create a better image in my mind about the Joad family and the era that they survived through. It's cool that a fictional character can have so much meaning, whether it's lyrically or just in general. These songs make the book a little bit more interesting, because clearly the message from the book meant something to Bruce Springsteen and Rage Against the Machine. It sort of takes the book to a higher level; it was good in words, and now in music as well! Also, I disagree when everyone says that the Bruce Springteen version relays the message more clearly. Sure, it might be somewhat easier to understand, musically, but, Rage Against the Machine told the story just as well. Bruce Springsteen used the opportunity to show the depressing side of the Great Depression by using such intruments and the slow rhythm. But, with Rage Against the Machine's heart-pumping musicality, it made me realize how "heart-pumping," difficult and agonizing the time period really was. Springsteen showed the more depressing side of the era, while Rage Against the Machine showed the intensity of the time.
After listening to both versions, I thought that Rage Against the Machines’ version was an angrier interpretation of the life that Tom Joad had, and many others during that time period. Since Bruce Springsteen’s version was slower, it allowed the listener to really hear what message he was trying to portray. I feel like Springsteens version came from a more distressing and surly place, whereas RATM’s version came out of rage and wrath. After listening, it’s easier to make a parallel between the different views of peoples life back then-you could have felt sorry for yourself (Springsteens version) or you could feel that you have been treated unfairly all your life, in which case that person may relate better with RATM’s version. ONAR! I agree with you when you said how cool it was to listen to a song that was based on the book, I thought so too. Julianne M 6
Let me start off by saying that I truly enjoyed listening to the two pieces of music by Rage Against the Machine & Bruce Springsteen. I think just like pictures, music is able to accurately express how the artist feels about the subject she or he is singing, painting, or writing about. Both songs "The Ghost of Tom Joad," obviously share the same lyrics or thoughts, but are deeply different. Springsteen's version is said to be a better, clearer interpretation of how Tom Joad and the Joad's went about the major crisis occuring but I'd say I'd have to disagree. Although I do see why people would take it as that, I felt as if Rage Against the Machine took the song and expressed it in a negative way considering life was bad. The Joads suffered and Rage Against the Machine's sound and tempo absolutely presented that upon it's listeners. But, both songs do in fact make it easier to get a better grip on Steinbeck's message being sent through out the book.
The first line, "Man walks along the railroad tracks- He's goin' someplace, and there's no turnin' back" because instantaneously the listener sees the struggle. Sees that this adventure is the only thing that can change the Joad's and any other family's destiny. Also, that, that same adventure shouldn't be taken likely because what ever happens can't be rewound and any decision can determine life or death...
"Welcome to the new world order, Families sleepin' in their cars in the Southwest. No home no job no peace no rest" was definitely the most inspirational part of Bruce Springsteen's version. This is basically showing how the world has changed and they don't matter anymore and how big business took over. The families who were traveling to California had to sleep in their cars at night because they had no shelter. "No home no job no peace no rest" is basically how the people during that time had lived. It almost makes me sad how hard this song hit me, and how meaningful the lyrics really are. When he says the quote of what Tom Joad said to Ma, he really grasps the meaning as to how good of a person Tom Joad really was and how hard times were.
The Rage Against The Machine version really made me more angry at how the people were treated. Both songs hit hard, but the Rage Against the Machine version really makes me more angry than sad. The lyrics are the same but they are said differently and found to be more irate sounding. This song is definitely more modern and relatable, and I feel that no matter how you sing it, it gives you a better understanding of the Joad family and what they went through.
JENNA! I definitely agree with you about the first line in the song and how you can instantly see the struggle that the Joad family. It makes the message more clear definitely.
I am familiar with the version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" by RATM. However, after listening to the version by Bruce Springsteen, I was able to see some of the major differences. For example, RATM is a very intense political band, and in their cover of Springsteen's song, they did not fail to prove it. In their version, it's not about the lyrics of the song so much as it's about the feeling that the song is trying to get across. "The Ghost of Tom Joad" is a highly political song with a meaning that travels many layers deep. But the Bruce Springsteen original is clearly more focused on the words and meaning. RATM covers the song in a way that is meant to portray the anger thats been woven into the lyrics by Springsteen. Although Bruce Springsteen is not as intense as RATM, both versions of the song are just as powerful.
Even though these two songs had the same exact lyrics, they each gave me a totally different vibe about the message they were conveying. In my opinion, the Bruce Springsteen version related more to the book Grapes of Wrath. I felt that he was singing about the sorrows that Tom, the Joad family, and all farmers faced during the Dust Bowl era. There were many connections made to the book such as the talk of a camp, railroad, and preacher. When I heard this song, I actually invisioned a man following the path Tom Joad took in his departure from his family, searching for a stable lifestyle. Additionally, the part in the song that says "Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop... You'll see me" really hit home for me. Not only did it make an almost parallel to GOW, but I actually felt myself getting emotional over it. I think that the version of The Ghost of Tom Joad played by Rise Against the Machine was more of a general song, not only about the Grapes of Wrath character, Tom Joad, but a calling out to anybody feeling alone and full of despair.
Therese, I liked your post a lot. I feel as if we are on the same page in terms of the meanings of the songs. I'm also a bigger fan of the Rage Against the Machine version than the Springsteen one.
I really liked the version Bruce Springsteen did. It was full of meaning and really carried the message of the journey to California. He really put all of his heart into the song and it showed. Also the harmonica parts of the song allowed you to picture the people driving along and hitting all of the bumps in the road. I did not like the Rage Against the Machine version because I feel there was no heart and soul in it. They were basically talking and screaming the whole time so I thought the meaning was lost. Austin C. Period 6
Although I personally liked the version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" done by Rage Against the Machine better, I think Bruce Springsteen put more emotion into the song, making it much more powerful. The harmonica and guitar parts played by Springsteen made me think of the migrant families out west, and reminded me of how people out west would play their instruments and everyone would gather around to hear. Rage Against the Machine's version was too modern, and seemed more disconnected from the plight of the migrants. However, the lyrics of the song in general, no matter how they are sung, are incredibly meaningful. In the book, I believe Tom represented the collective spirit of all the people who were in need, so when the song mentions searching for his ghost, it sent a really powerful message.
Although i tend to like Rage Against the Machine and The rock genre i enjoyed the Bruce Springsteen version better. This is for many reasons. First of all it clearly has more heart put into it and he clearly sang it to get a point across about the book and Tom Joad himself. The whole song really hits me harder at heart and mind then the RATM version of the song. Not to mention that in my mind Springsteens song flows much better and is much catchier :). But in general the lyrics are very deep and they summarize the personality and mindset Of Tom Joad. I also very much like the harmonica parts in Springsteen version. It gives the song character. All together it is a great song with great lyrics that really make you think. Jarrett L. 6
I think that in no way did Bruce Springsteen or Rage Against the Machine perform and write these songs simply to summarize the events of Tom Joad's life. I think that they share similar feelings towards the poor and neglected of America and I think that Tom Joad and his beliefs were something that they could use to send thier message through. All of the lyrics in the song completely convey the way that Tom Joad felt through out the novel and I think that they most likely felt in a similar way or else they would not have written the song. I thought that Bruce's verison was much better than Rage Against the Machine because I felt more emotion and more of a connection to the hardships of the people through his version rather than the angrier, unclear version from RATM. I think the lyrics, "No home, no job, no peace, no rest" and "Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last". These lyics were very powerful and they really stood out to me.
After listening to both of these songs I found the one by Bruce Springsteen almost easier to listen to because it really caught my attention and I was able to really listen to the lyrics and feel a deeper meaning for them. Th part that really stuck out to me the most was the fact that he took lyrics right out the the book, Grapes of Wrath. I thought that this was very clever on his part and helped make a larger connection between the song and the book. Also, I really feel that the quote he picked from the story, described Tom Joad a lot as a person, it shows the growth he had through out the novel. This song allows other to listen to it and connect it to themselves on a personal level.
First of all I would like to say that I did not understand this music. Bruce Springsteen and Rage Against The Machine seem to be very successful in what it is that they do, on the other hand these two songs were a little out there and incomprehensible to me, so Mrs. Baker I hope our future music-literary assignments will require us to listen to some Beyonce and Black Eyed Peas [ Lol :)]. When I looked up the lyrics I could finally understand the meaning of this song. The speech that Tom said in the end of the book to his mother really helped me get it. Tom Joad was stating that he will represent the migrant families and he will be there guide through all their trials that they experience along the way. "The Ghost" part is that even after his time, what he stood for is what they will always carry with them. When it seems like everything is going against them "the ghost of Tom Joad" will strengthen and encourage them. This is very noble because it reminds me of real people of this world that always represented the underdog and changed history as we know it, from Paul Revere to Martin Luther King Jr.
After listening to both songs, I agree with almost everyone else that the Bruce Springsteen version is more meaningful. I think that this is because of the more relaxed instruments and melody. I feel that this calmer version expresses the heart ache and depression of the migrant farmers, more so than the version by Rage Against the Machine. The novel, "The Grapes of Wrath" was sad, which was expressed through grey imagery. The instruments in Bruce Springsteen's version is sad, while the instruments in the other song set an angry tone. The use of the harmonica improved the song because it reminds me of the west. The lyrics summarized the book, as they discussed the highway, the preacher, and the promised land. The lyrics,
"Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries Where there's a fight 'gainst the blood and hatred in the air Look for me Mom I'll be there"
made me feel like I was reading a direct passage in the book. In chapter 28, Tom tries to reassure Ma that he, unlike Casey, will not lose his life in the worker's movement. Tom says, "Wherever they’s a fight so hungry people can eat, I’ll be there. Wherever they’s a cop beatin’ up a guy, I’ll be there," which is almost directly stated in the song. Furthermore, I especially liked this assignment because it involves music. Like pictures, it expresses emotion.
After listening to both versions of the song, i realized it was much easier to understand and relate to Bruce Springsteen's version. Rage and Bruce are different genres of music, so it really depends on which one you prefer. I can relate Tom Joad's story to the song because it talks about the same journey he went through on his way to California. The songs meaning is about freedom and social justice, which is exactly what Tom's story was about. I loved the song, and i liked how meaningful it was. The "Ghost of Tom Joad" will carry on and help to keep people moving for generations to come. It was extremely inspirational to listen to a song like this.
Grace, I completely agree with you that the song shows Tom's growth throughout the novel, and you can definitely relate to him on a personal level with Bruce's version of the song. I also loved how Bruce took actual lyrics out of GOW when writing this song. Good work!
I think the Bruce Springsteen version had more soul to it. The Rage Against the Machine version just sounded like noise to me. Springsteen wrote the song, knew the heart in it and could sing it the way it was meant to be sung, but RATM didn't know the process, the toil, and the soul and heart behind the song, so it sounded less meaningful. Also, the way Springsteen sang it, kind of folky and sad, was completely different form the way RATM sang it, loud and almost angry, and that also changed the meaning. Like your tone when you say something, the tone of the same song was completely changed.
I would just like to say I prefer the Springsteen song. I feel that it was much more "deeper" whereas I felt the RATM song didn't really show knowledge of the struggles Tom Joad went through and that they were just singing lyrics with noise in the background. Also, like Gretchen I prefer the way Springsteen sang it and how it changed the meaning when compared to how RATM sang it.
After listening to both songs I believe that Bruce Springsteen's version has more meaning even though Rage Against the Machine’s version showed the anger that all those people felt during such tough times. The way that Bruce Springsteen sang just gave the song more feeling and life. I could understand the sadness a lot more. I like how Tom Joad’s speech is apart of the songs because those lines were the most important part of the entire book. It helps everyone understand the power behind the message of the book even if they’ve never read it. I also liked how at first they were “searchin’ for the ghost of Tom Joad” but by the end of the song they were “with the ghost of old Tom Joad.” It was like during the song they were able to find what Tom stood for and didn’t have to search for the meaning behind Tom’s words any longer. – Alexis A. Period 6
Bruce Springsteen’s version was depressing and gloomy while Rage Against the Machine’s version sounded enraged. The singer from RAM was more talking to the crowd than actually singing it and I felt like it emphasized the lyrics. I liked it when RAM sang Tom’s quote because I could picture Tom actually saying those words. I think Springsteen was trying to show the difficulty of the Okies’ journeys. The parts that stood out to me the most were “Goin’ someplace there’s no goin’back” and “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land”. I thought they showed how desperate and hopeless they were. Ash P.6
I think that both versions of the song were accurate in depicting the feelings Tom Joad and other migrant farmers would have, although RATM and Bruce do it differently. RATM shows the angry side, while Bruse shows the more depressed side. I think that for Tom Joad's case in particular, RATM got it right. This is because he was more full of rage (enough rage to hit a man over the head with a shovel and kill him!).
Another thing I thought was interesting was that last year, we listened to a RATM song, too. It had either a quote from F451 or 1984 in it (I don't remember which). I wonder if they have more literary references in their songs...
I didn't notice that the songs were like a summary of his life until you mentioned it, so thanks for pointing that out! Now I see it. Also, I've never been a big RATM fan myself...they usually pick one line and shout it at you over and over and over and over then the songs over...
As everybody must have mentioned before me, the lyrics of the song not only apply to Tom's family, but the wretched conditions of all the other migrant families traveling with one-way ticket to promised land (California). The ghost of Tom Joad represents the feelings of revolt and misery the people have inside them about the injustice they are facing. To express this feeling, Bruce and RATM take different approaches in singing the lyrics. I personally prefer Bruce Springsteen's because the sound of harmonica goes with the miserable feeling. I like the way the story is told with the hint of anger in the way Bruce sings it. Rage Against the Machine focuses on the wild anger of Tom using really loud instruments.
I thought the version done by Bruce Springsteen held more meaning then the one by Rage Against the Machine. The emotion is his voice held more with me then the slurring and screaming of rage against. I think that when you think of the dustbowl and the things they had to go through you almost want to cry and the song is a real testimony to their struggles..and even the struggles people have today. Incorperating Tom Joads story into the song gives a good example of real life struggling, and i thought this lyric really explains some of the things people had and still have to go through "Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass Got a one-way ticket to the promised land You got a hole in your belly and gun in your hand Sleeping on a pillow of solid rock Bathin' in the city aqueduct
do you think people who listen to the two songs find rage against the machines version better because it has a more angry tone rather then a sad one? when people looked back on their journey did they feel more saddened then angered?
I think both songs were performed well, but i think Bruce Springsteen's version was better because it was much slower and easier to absorb the lyrics in his version, whereas in Rage Against the Machine's version is harder to understand because of all the music and noise in the background. I think his voice holds a lot more emotion and it is a easier connection to make in relation to the book, because of the slow beat and somewhat depressing sound.
I think that RotM's song gives a much more bitter tone to the lyrics, as if the song was from the point of view of someone who is suffering through the Depression. Springsteen's song seems to have a much more hopeful tone, where things can get better. If the people actually suffering are the bitter ones, one could say that Springsteen's acting as someone outside of the Depression looking in. I can imagine that people in New York, Chicago, or one of the cities where citizens are relatively comfortable would view their plight this way. The fact that this song is being sung 50 years after the depression can give this song unique perspective too. Neither the Okies nor the cityfolk knew how, or if, things would get better, so the hopeful tone of the song could be from simply knowing what happens next. Luke S. Period 6
Its rumour one for above topic. no one can't see the ghost straight to straight. its imagination only all the people saying ghost is there. so nobody can saw that one. so don't spend more time for this topic.
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I thought the song performed by Rage Against the Machine was more modern, but I found the Bruce Springstein version to have more meaning. I think allt he noise in the RATM version blocked out the message from the lyrics. I also found the lyrcs create an image of a depression in this time.
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After listening and watching the songs about the ghost of Tom Joad, I realized the songs acted as a summary for the highlights of Tom Joad’s life. From the mention of the highway, to a mention of preaching and to the singers exclaiming a “Fight against the blood and hatred”, the songs presented the importance of Tom Joad’s life. First, to get it out there, the second song stunk. Not that I’m trying to offend someone’s cousin or whatever but the song sounded like a bad Guitar Hero solo that could not be understood. But the few phrases I did understand matched the lyrics of the other two clips. In each of the three, the chorus seemed to refer to the phrase, “the highway is alive tonight”. This is appropriate because most of Tom’s life took place on Route 66. Next, there was always a constant mention of a campfire and a new world life. The campfire acts as a connection and the new world life is what Tom wanted to fight for. So it is apparent that there were many quick themes constantly mentioned that sums Tom’s life. Little symbols of his journey are what make these songs so unique.
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I thought the song did a great job at showing the despair and hardships of the all of the migrant workers. The words are a lot more powerful together in the song rather than alone. The sayings come together and display the true message of the Grapes of Wrath. I thought the quote “No home no job no peace no rest.” was very powerful. It gave me a good sense about how horrible these people were living on a daily basis. “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land.” showed how the migrant families couldn't turn back. They could only go one way to California because they spent all of their money on a car and supplies. They had nothing left and were living off of hope. I also thought that Bruce Springsteen had a very calming voice and fitted the song well.
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"Ghost of Tom Joad"
ReplyDelete-->In general, I thought the lyrics of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" by Bruce Springstein were so creative! But there was one line in this song that, to me, summed up the whole Joad journey. It was the line that said "No home no job no peace no rest." When you think back on the story, the Joads had no home, they didn't have a steady job, and they really didn't get much rest. The part of that line that really got me was "no peace." Even after all our GOW discussions, I never even thought about the fact that the Joads didn't have any peace whatsoever! They were always moving and stressing over what to next. Ma was always putting others before herself and was never once at ease. They left the peace the had on the land that they had lived on. I think this all relates back to the theme, the "love of the land and its people" because it was where they felt the most comfortable and it was their homeland. This time period was not peaceful at all and for some reason "lack of peace" never clicked in my mind.
Question: Do you think the Joads ever felt peaceful during their journey?
Kelly L, P5
"Wherever somebodies fightin for a place to stand
ReplyDeleteFor a decent job or a helpin' hand
Wherever somebody is strugglin' to be free"
The song is clearly about more than just a book and the charachters just trying to get money. He talks about cops beating guys and blood and hatred in the air. The song seems to be about something deeper. It was cleaver of Springstein to use Tom Joad and GOW as a simile. Do you think he might be making a connection, nont just telling a story? I see plenty of people strugeling, ive seen and heard of people being beaten; not only in GOW. I think he used Tom Joad as an example as well as a charachter for his own feelings on what did and still does go on in the world. Is Springsteins song about more then just Tom Joad's story?
JACKIE G5
I found it really interesting to hear both songs. It’s amazing how one band can make a song sound completely different from another band. I personally like Bruce Springsteen’s version better. The way he sang it, it seems that he connected to the song more and they type of instruments and the style really made the song jump out at me. I feel the Rage Against the Machine version didn’t click as well. The lyrics themselves were really great. I really loved how they took Tom’s speech from the book and integrated it into the song. As I listened to the song and the lyrics, I could see what they were portraying and it made me to connect to GOW even more. The line that really made me think of GOW, besides Tom’s speech was, “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land,” That one line basically summed up the book for me because the whole journey got started because of the handbills being handed out to portray a new, better life in California.
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I found that Bruce Springsteen's version of the song held more meaning to the book than Rage Against The Machine's. The lyric "No home no job no peace no rest," really stood out to me. It did a great job of describing the pain and anguish that the families of this era must have felt. Tom's speech in this song was also very powerful. It made a strong connection to the book and had so much meaning. The lyricist of this song did a great job of capturing this era and connecting to GOW, I was able to visualize these lyrics especially in the first stanza.
ReplyDeleteMadison B Per 5
Aside from slight variations in phrasing and words, the lyrics of both songs are fundamentally the same and carry the same messages from the book. However, like previous posts, I believe that Bruce Springsteen's version did have more relevance to the book because of its genre of music and the instruments used. The quote "Goin' some place, there's no turnin' back" from the Rage Against the Machine version especially stood out to me because it essentially summarizes the source of the Joads' hope. However, both songs seemed to literal to me. Although both addressed themes like people in constant motion, and that Tom Joad represents every other man who stood up to oppression, phrases like "Bathin' in the city aqueduct" etc. brought down the song's value for me.
ReplyDeleteSreedevi D 6
I feel that Bruce Springsteen's version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" was better than Rage Against the Machine's version. This is because it was slower so the message was portrayed more clearly. Also, the mood of the song went along better with the lyrics in Springsteen's version because it was a more down-beat and quieter song so it relates to the depressing story line of GOW. The lyrics of the songs definitely reflect what the time period was like during GOW and they were both really good versions. However, Bruce Springsteen just did a better job with his version.
ReplyDelete-Jess Blitz p.5
If you listen to both versions of it, Rage Against the Machine really does a nice job of showing the anger of someone that would have dealt with the things most of the migrant families dealt with back during the dust bowl. The RATM version also gives off a sense of revolution, like the whole point of the title GOW. That wrath is their anger which will burst eventually and Rage's version shows that anger boiling, giving me the sense of "Wow something is gonna go down sooner or later". Also, its last few lyrics are about Tom's speech to his mom, which is all about his realization of what Casey was going to do, which was to start that revolution. Whereas Springsteen's version is much more somber and shows the pure sadness of those people. The song is mainly all about the book, but in many cases, I feel it really relates to present day poverty. It all has to do with prevailing in times of injustice, like police brutality, etc. Going back to Rage's version, I found it interesting because I knew this song for theirs for a long long time and I never knew the song related to GOW, so it was cool listening to it and really hearing how the song is just like the whole book.
ReplyDeleteOlivia N. 6.
I personally would choose Rage's version to jam to, but Bruce's version definitely gave a more authentic feel. Bruce was trying to (and did) show the hardship and pain that migrant workers dealt with. Rage probably chose to do a cover of this song because one of the themes of the book was joining together as one. The feel of their version was definitely angry and I felt they were more saying "Everyone get together! We can make this better if we work together!" without changing the lyrics.
ReplyDeleteRyan, your post made me laugh.
Onar, yours was excellent too! We're definitely thinking similar things about the songs.
- Therese per. 5
When I listened to both versions I definitely have to agree with everyone when they say that Bruce Springsteen's version brought out the despair and pain of the time. However, I feel like the RATM's version is the new version of pain and anger for our generation. Instead of being quiet and not doing much about anything, we're more vocal about everything. Which I feel is what RATM shows in their version of the song. Kind of like Breaking Benjamin and Three Days Grace do in their songs.
ReplyDeleteSarah p6
In my opinion, having heard both of these songs before, I really understood both songs equally. The difference for me though, was one (Springstein's version) was easier to pay attention to because of the vocalist, while other was one that a crowd is more likely to shout along with.
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p.s. i posted on that other blog entry and forgot to sign my name. woops.
After listening to both versions of The Ghost of Tom Joad, I feel that Bruce Springstein's interpretation of the song better captured the mood of the Dust Bowl Era. First the song was slower which allowed you to listen to the lyrics more closely and find a deeper meaning behind them. Also, I think Springstein really sang from the heart and embodied the hurt and hopelessness of the migrant workers through his singing. I think the instruments used such as the harmonica and acoustic guitar better fit the time era of Grapes of Wrath. You could actually imagine it being played around the campfire at one of the camps described in the book. I think Rage Against the Machine’s version was an interesting interpretation of the song but I found it too modern to capture the true spirit of the migrant workers.
ReplyDeleteSophia G. p5
Both versions of this song are very meaningful and they create a better image in my mind about the Joad family and the era that they survived through. It's cool that a fictional character can have so much meaning, whether it's lyrically or just in general. These songs make the book a little bit more interesting, because clearly the message from the book meant something to Bruce Springsteen and Rage Against the Machine. It sort of takes the book to a higher level; it was good in words, and now in music as well! Also, I disagree when everyone says that the Bruce Springteen version relays the message more clearly. Sure, it might be somewhat easier to understand, musically, but, Rage Against the Machine told the story just as well. Bruce Springsteen used the opportunity to show the depressing side of the Great Depression by using such intruments and the slow rhythm. But, with Rage Against the Machine's heart-pumping musicality, it made me realize how "heart-pumping," difficult and agonizing the time period really was. Springsteen showed the more depressing side of the era, while Rage Against the Machine showed the intensity of the time.
ReplyDeleteAllie B Period 6
After listening to both versions, I thought that Rage Against the Machines’ version was an angrier interpretation of the life that Tom Joad had, and many others during that time period. Since Bruce Springsteen’s version was slower, it allowed the listener to really hear what message he was trying to portray. I feel like Springsteens version came from a more distressing and surly place, whereas RATM’s version came out of rage and wrath. After listening, it’s easier to make a parallel between the different views of peoples life back then-you could have felt sorry for yourself (Springsteens version) or you could feel that you have been treated unfairly all your life, in which case that person may relate better with RATM’s version.
ReplyDeleteONAR! I agree with you when you said how cool it was to listen to a song that was based on the book, I thought so too.
Julianne M 6
Let me start off by saying that I truly enjoyed listening to the two pieces of music by Rage Against the Machine & Bruce Springsteen. I think just like pictures, music is able to accurately express how the artist feels about the subject she or he is singing, painting, or writing about. Both songs "The Ghost of Tom Joad," obviously share the same lyrics or thoughts, but are deeply different. Springsteen's version is said to be a better, clearer interpretation of how Tom Joad and the Joad's went about the major crisis occuring but I'd say I'd have to disagree. Although I do see why people would take it as that, I felt as if Rage Against the Machine took the song and expressed it in a negative way considering life was bad. The Joads suffered and Rage Against the Machine's sound and tempo absolutely presented that upon it's listeners. But, both songs do in fact make it easier to get a better grip on Steinbeck's message being sent through out the book.
ReplyDeleteThe first line, "Man walks along the railroad tracks- He's goin' someplace, and there's no turnin' back" because instantaneously the listener sees the struggle. Sees that this adventure is the only thing that can change the Joad's and any other family's destiny. Also, that, that same adventure shouldn't be taken likely because what ever happens can't be rewound and any decision can determine life or death...
Jenna L.
period 5
"Welcome to the new world order, Families sleepin' in their cars in the Southwest. No home no job no peace no rest" was definitely the most inspirational part of Bruce Springsteen's version. This is basically showing how the world has changed and they don't matter anymore and how big business took over. The families who were traveling to California had to sleep in their cars at night because they had no shelter. "No home no job no peace no rest" is basically how the people during that time had lived. It almost makes me sad how hard this song hit me, and how meaningful the lyrics really are. When he says the quote of what Tom Joad said to Ma, he really grasps the meaning as to how good of a person Tom Joad really was and how hard times were.
ReplyDeleteThe Rage Against The Machine version really made me more angry at how the people were treated. Both songs hit hard, but the Rage Against the Machine version really makes me more angry than sad. The lyrics are the same but they are said differently and found to be more irate sounding. This song is definitely more modern and relatable, and I feel that no matter how you sing it, it gives you a better understanding of the Joad family and what they went through.
JENNA!
I definitely agree with you about the first line in the song and how you can instantly see the struggle that the Joad family. It makes the message more clear definitely.
Taylor S.
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I am familiar with the version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" by RATM. However, after listening to the version by Bruce Springsteen, I was able to see some of the major differences. For example, RATM is a very intense political band, and in their cover of Springsteen's song, they did not fail to prove it. In their version, it's not about the lyrics of the song so much as it's about the feeling that the song is trying to get across. "The Ghost of Tom Joad" is a highly political song with a meaning that travels many layers deep. But the Bruce Springsteen original is clearly more focused on the words and meaning. RATM covers the song in a way that is meant to portray the anger thats been woven into the lyrics by Springsteen. Although Bruce Springsteen is not as intense as RATM, both versions of the song are just as powerful.
ReplyDeleteSam B. Per. 5
Even though these two songs had the same exact lyrics, they each gave me a totally different vibe about the message they were conveying. In my opinion, the Bruce Springsteen version related more to the book Grapes of Wrath. I felt that he was singing about the sorrows that Tom, the Joad family, and all farmers faced during the Dust Bowl era. There were many connections made to the book such as the talk of a camp, railroad, and preacher. When I heard this song, I actually invisioned a man following the path Tom Joad took in his departure from his family, searching for a stable lifestyle. Additionally, the part in the song that says "Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop... You'll see me" really hit home for me. Not only did it make an almost parallel to GOW, but I actually felt myself getting emotional over it. I think that the version of The Ghost of Tom Joad played by Rise Against the Machine was more of a general song, not only about the Grapes of Wrath character, Tom Joad, but a calling out to anybody feeling alone and full of despair.
ReplyDeleteAmanda M 5
Therese, I liked your post a lot. I feel as if we are on the same page in terms of the meanings of the songs. I'm also a bigger fan of the Rage Against the Machine version than the Springsteen one.
ReplyDeleteSam B. Per. 5
I really liked the version Bruce Springsteen did. It was full of meaning and really carried the message of the journey to California. He really put all of his heart into the song and it showed. Also the harmonica parts of the song allowed you to picture the people driving along and hitting all of the bumps in the road. I did not like the Rage Against the Machine version because I feel there was no heart and soul in it. They were basically talking and screaming the whole time so I thought the meaning was lost.
ReplyDeleteAustin C. Period 6
Although I personally liked the version of "The Ghost of Tom Joad" done by Rage Against the Machine better, I think Bruce Springsteen put more emotion into the song, making it much more powerful. The harmonica and guitar parts played by Springsteen made me think of the migrant families out west, and reminded me of how people out west would play their instruments and everyone would gather around to hear. Rage Against the Machine's version was too modern, and seemed more disconnected from the plight of the migrants. However, the lyrics of the song in general, no matter how they are sung, are incredibly meaningful. In the book, I believe Tom represented the collective spirit of all the people who were in need, so when the song mentions searching for his ghost, it sent a really powerful message.
ReplyDeleteJenny L. 6
Although i tend to like Rage Against the Machine and The rock genre i enjoyed the Bruce Springsteen version better. This is for many reasons. First of all it clearly has more heart put into it and he clearly sang it to get a point across about the book and Tom Joad himself. The whole song really hits me harder at heart and mind then the RATM version of the song. Not to mention that in my mind Springsteens song flows much better and is much catchier :). But in general the lyrics are very deep and they summarize the personality and mindset Of Tom Joad. I also very much like the harmonica parts in Springsteen version. It gives the song character. All together it is a great song with great lyrics that really make you think.
ReplyDeleteJarrett L. 6
I think that in no way did Bruce Springsteen or Rage Against the Machine perform and write these songs simply to summarize the events of Tom Joad's life. I think that they share similar feelings towards the poor and neglected of America and I think that Tom Joad and his beliefs were something that they could use to send thier message through. All of the lyrics in the song completely convey the way that Tom Joad felt through out the novel and I think that they most likely felt in a similar way or else they would not have written the song. I thought that Bruce's verison was much better than Rage Against the Machine because I felt more emotion and more of a connection to the hardships of the people through his version rather than the angrier, unclear version from RATM. I think the lyrics, "No home, no job, no peace, no rest" and "Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last". These lyics were very powerful and they really stood out to me.
ReplyDeleteJAKE Period 6
After listening to both of these songs I found the one by Bruce Springsteen almost easier to listen to because it really caught my attention and I was able to really listen to the lyrics and feel a deeper meaning for them. Th part that really stuck out to me the most was the fact that he took lyrics right out the the book, Grapes of Wrath. I thought that this was very clever on his part and helped make a larger connection between the song and the book. Also, I really feel that the quote he picked from the story, described Tom Joad a lot as a person, it shows the growth he had through out the novel. This song allows other to listen to it and connect it to themselves on a personal level.
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Period 6
First of all I would like to say that I did not understand this music. Bruce Springsteen and Rage Against The Machine seem to be very successful in what it is that they do, on the other hand these two songs were a little out there and incomprehensible to me, so Mrs. Baker I hope our future
ReplyDeletemusic-literary assignments will require us to listen to some Beyonce and Black Eyed Peas [ Lol :)]. When I looked up the lyrics I could finally understand the meaning of this song. The speech that Tom said in the end of the book to his mother really helped me get it. Tom Joad was stating that he will represent the migrant families and he will be there guide through all their trials that they experience along the way. "The Ghost" part is that even after his time, what he stood for is what they will always carry with them. When it seems like everything is going against them "the ghost of Tom Joad" will strengthen and encourage them. This is very noble because it reminds me of real people of this world that always represented the underdog and changed history as we know it, from Paul Revere to Martin Luther King Jr.
Treasure p6
After listening to both songs, I agree with almost everyone else that the Bruce Springsteen version is more meaningful. I think that this is because of the more relaxed instruments and melody. I feel that this calmer version expresses the heart ache and depression of the migrant farmers, more so than the version by Rage Against the Machine. The novel, "The Grapes of Wrath" was sad, which was expressed through grey imagery. The instruments in Bruce Springsteen's version is sad, while the instruments in the other song set an angry tone. The use of the harmonica improved the song because it reminds me of the west. The lyrics summarized the book, as they discussed the highway, the preacher, and the promised land. The lyrics,
ReplyDelete"Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries
Where there's a fight 'gainst the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me Mom I'll be there"
made me feel like I was reading a direct passage in the book. In chapter 28, Tom tries to reassure Ma that he, unlike Casey, will not lose his life in the worker's movement. Tom says, "Wherever they’s a fight so hungry people can eat, I’ll be there. Wherever they’s a cop beatin’ up a guy, I’ll be there," which is almost directly stated in the song. Furthermore, I especially liked this assignment because it involves music. Like pictures, it expresses emotion.
Alexis M P5
After listening to both versions of the song, i realized it was much easier to understand and relate to Bruce Springsteen's version. Rage and Bruce are different genres of music, so it really depends on which one you prefer. I can relate Tom Joad's story to the song because it talks about the same journey he went through on his way to California. The songs meaning is about freedom and social justice, which is exactly what Tom's story was about. I loved the song, and i liked how meaningful it was. The "Ghost of Tom Joad" will carry on and help to keep people moving for generations to come. It was extremely inspirational to listen to a song like this.
ReplyDeleteGrace,
I completely agree with you that the song shows Tom's growth throughout the novel, and you can definitely relate to him on a personal level with Bruce's version of the song. I also loved how Bruce took actual lyrics out of GOW when writing this song. Good work!
Leah S, Period 5
I think the Bruce Springsteen version had more soul to it. The Rage Against the Machine version just sounded like noise to me. Springsteen wrote the song, knew the heart in it and could sing it the way it was meant to be sung, but RATM didn't know the process, the toil, and the soul and heart behind the song, so it sounded less meaningful. Also, the way Springsteen sang it, kind of folky and sad, was completely different form the way RATM sang it, loud and almost angry, and that also changed the meaning. Like your tone when you say something, the tone of the same song was completely changed.
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period 5
I would just like to say I prefer the Springsteen song. I feel that it was much more "deeper" whereas I felt the RATM song didn't really show knowledge of the struggles Tom Joad went through and that they were just singing lyrics with noise in the background. Also, like Gretchen I prefer the way Springsteen sang it and how it changed the meaning when compared to how RATM sang it.
ReplyDeleteCaitlyn L Period 5
After listening to both songs I believe that Bruce Springsteen's version has more meaning even though Rage Against the Machine’s version showed the anger that all those people felt during such tough times. The way that Bruce Springsteen sang just gave the song more feeling and life. I could understand the sadness a lot more. I like how Tom Joad’s speech is apart of the songs because those lines were the most important part of the entire book. It helps everyone understand the power behind the message of the book even if they’ve never read it. I also liked how at first they were “searchin’ for the ghost of Tom Joad” but by the end of the song they were “with the ghost of old Tom Joad.” It was like during the song they were able to find what Tom stood for and didn’t have to search for the meaning behind Tom’s words any longer. – Alexis A. Period 6
ReplyDeleteBruce Springsteen’s version was depressing and gloomy while Rage Against the Machine’s version sounded enraged. The singer from RAM was more talking to the crowd than actually singing it and I felt like it emphasized the lyrics. I liked it when RAM sang Tom’s quote because I could picture Tom actually saying those words. I think Springsteen was trying to show the difficulty of the Okies’ journeys. The parts that stood out to me the most were “Goin’ someplace there’s no goin’back” and “Got a one-way ticket to the promised land”. I thought they showed how desperate and hopeless they were.
ReplyDeleteAsh P.6
I think that both versions of the song were accurate in depicting the feelings Tom Joad and other migrant farmers would have, although RATM and Bruce do it differently. RATM shows the angry side, while Bruse shows the more depressed side. I think that for Tom Joad's case in particular, RATM got it right. This is because he was more full of rage (enough rage to hit a man over the head with a shovel and kill him!).
ReplyDeleteAnother thing I thought was interesting was that last year, we listened to a RATM song, too. It had either a quote from F451 or 1984 in it (I don't remember which). I wonder if they have more literary references in their songs...
Katrice K, period 5
Ryan-
ReplyDeleteI didn't notice that the songs were like a summary of his life until you mentioned it, so thanks for pointing that out! Now I see it. Also, I've never been a big RATM fan myself...they usually pick one line and shout it at you over and over and over and over then the songs over...
Katrice K, period 5
As everybody must have mentioned before me, the lyrics of the song not only apply to Tom's family, but the wretched conditions of all the other migrant families traveling with one-way ticket to promised land (California). The ghost of Tom Joad represents the feelings of revolt and misery the people have inside them about the injustice they are facing. To express this feeling, Bruce and RATM take different approaches in singing the lyrics. I personally prefer Bruce Springsteen's because the sound of harmonica goes with the miserable feeling. I like the way the story is told with the hint of anger in the way Bruce sings it. Rage Against the Machine focuses on the wild anger of Tom using really loud instruments.
ReplyDeleteAnjita P-7
I thought the version done by Bruce Springsteen held more meaning then the one by Rage Against the Machine. The emotion is his voice held more with me then the slurring and screaming of rage against. I think that when you think of the dustbowl and the things they had to go through you almost want to cry and the song is a real testimony to their struggles..and even the struggles people have today. Incorperating Tom Joads story into the song gives a good example of real life struggling, and i thought this lyric really explains some of the things people had and still have to go through "Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
ReplyDeleteIn a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
Got a one-way ticket to the promised land
You got a hole in your belly and gun in your hand
Sleeping on a pillow of solid rock
Bathin' in the city aqueduct
do you think people who listen to the two songs find rage against the machines version better because it has a more angry tone rather then a sad one? when people looked back on their journey did they feel more saddened then angered?
I think both songs were performed well, but i think Bruce Springsteen's version was better because it was much slower and easier to absorb the lyrics in his version, whereas in Rage Against the Machine's version is harder to understand because of all the music and noise in the background. I think his voice holds a lot more emotion and it is a easier connection to make in relation to the book, because of the slow beat and somewhat depressing sound.
ReplyDeleteCarley W. p5
I think that RotM's song gives a much more bitter tone to the lyrics, as if the song was from the point of view of someone who is suffering through the Depression.
ReplyDeleteSpringsteen's song seems to have a much more hopeful tone, where things can get better. If the people actually suffering are the bitter ones, one could say that Springsteen's acting as someone outside of the Depression looking in. I can imagine that people in New York, Chicago, or one of the cities where citizens are relatively comfortable would view their plight this way.
The fact that this song is being sung 50 years after the depression can give this song unique perspective too. Neither the Okies nor the cityfolk knew how, or if, things would get better, so the hopeful tone of the song could be from simply knowing what happens next.
Luke S. Period 6
Its rumour one for above topic. no one can't see the ghost straight to straight. its imagination only all the people saying ghost is there. so nobody can saw that one. so don't spend more time for this topic.
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