If I were Tim O'Brien, I wouldn't go back to the site of Kiowa's death because he felt personally responsible for it and it would only bring back bad memories.
It must have been hard for Tim to go back to Vietnam after all of those years. Seeing everything change and the sights probably brought back some good and horrible memories. I thought that soldiers would hate to go back to where they fought because it brings back memories of friends dying, etc. Also, I think that his daughter was a little annoying, commenting on him being weird and it being boring.
1. Comment: Near the end of this story, O'Brien talks about how all of the anger, and madness is gone from there. I think that the anger may be gone, because the war is not there anymore. However, I do not think that anger is totally gone from the minds of the people, because that anger inside of them from the war, usually stays with the people forever.
This story in the book was meaningful to me because it brought back many memories. He’s back at the field where they went through tragedy and Kiowa died. This is the field that they searched for Kiowa under the filth and much for hours. When he walked into the muddy water where they had found Kiowa’s rucksack, he took Kiowa’s moccasins and buried them in the mush. I thought this was kind of O’ Brien and I think it was a way of letting Kiowa go and not holding onto the guilt of his death.
When Kiowa died, Tim talked about how he felt as if a part of him had died as well that night. I think that going back to that same spot in Vietnam helped him to find himself again and let go of all the grief and guilt that had happened in the past.
I think for Tim visiting Vietnam was hard also to have the courage to bring his own daughter to the same spot that his best friend had died. Everything he once remembered altered into a different state not physically but in his own appearance
I think when Tim O'brien explains that all his anger and feelings are gone and forgotten. I beleive he is just hiding the true way he feels about everything that had happened. To cope everything that had occured.
I think that Tim O’Brien feels a little frustrated with his daughter Kathleen because she doesn’t understand how he has so many memories from such a long time ago. I also think that Tim bringing Kiowa’s moccasins back to place that he had died, shows a sign of remorse; like when people bring flowers to their relatives, or friends grave stones.
I beleive O'Brien returns to Vietnam because he feels alot of guilt, so he returns Kiowa's moccasins to his grave. He feels at ease when he does this, as he states "Twenty years. A lot like yesterday, a lot like never. In a way maybe, I'd gone under with Kiowa, and now after two decades I'd finally worked my way out"(187).
What does kathleen mean when she states " That old man, is he mad at you or something?"(188).
Going back to Vietnam was somthing O'Brien neede to do. His memories of this place still haunt him and he definatly needs closure. I do not think that bringing his daughter was a good idea though. She does not understand the value of where she is because she did not witness what happened in these locations.
I think O'Brien went back to Vietnam to get some closure on everything that happended there. I also think he brought his daughter there to share the memories and excitment he has being there again. Maybe if he told her everything that happended and the whole truth she might be a little more interested instead of thinking her dad is "immature".
I think O'Brien used this trip as a way to have closure. I would think that he would get mad at his daughter for being so impatient because this was so important to him. I think the reason why he didn't get mad was because he realized that she is just a kid and she doesn't know what warit.is really like unless you experience t
“I stood with my arms folded, feeling the grip of sentiment and time. Amazing, I thought. Twenty years.” (182) This quote in this chapter stuck out to me because this trip for him had more meaning, while his daughter didn’t understand why they visited some of the things that they did. Gianna Period 1
This chapter is about how Tim brings his daughter back to the mud field to honor Kiowa's death. All the memories come back to him, but it is sad because he feels like things valuble to him were swallowed up in the mud. The mud took away his best friend, his pride, his hopes and ambitions, and many other emotions that he carried. To help relieve him of his guilt, he buried Kiowa's shoes in the mud for closure.
How did he feel returning to this site which holds such bad memories (losing Kiowa there)? It seems as if it would really bother someone to go there. Also, Did this bring up any past emotions which he has kept inside since the war, like post-war thoughts or flashbacks from when he was stationed over in Nam.
It must have been hard for Tim to go back to where Kiowa died and too deal with all the pains and memories of his friends that had lost their lives fighting to keep peace. His daughter made comments that came off as rude, But for Tim at the time is was life vs. death and it was a fight for survival.
I feel like going back to the site where Kiowa died was a good idea because it he doesn't want to forget his friend that gave his life for his country. Also I think he should talk to his child who came with him to the site because she should undrestand why this means so much to her father.
It's interesting how his daughter acted in that story, I think he wrote it like that to show that only the people the actually experienced what happened truly understand what happened and why they feel the way they do about it.
I thought this story was basically for O'brien to remember and close his past memories of the war. He went back to all the spots and saw how it changed in the past 20 years. This was his chance to finally say goodbye to the war and Kiowa.
What I don't get is why the old farmer raised the shovel like a flag, and looked mad.
I think that its good that obrien went back to the feild where kiowa died. A lot went on at that feild so he kind of needed to go and visit and it was really great of him to pay his respects to kiowa
To return to Vietnam after he'd already served in a war must have taken a lot of courage. In my opinion, it was probably harder to return there than it was to go there in the first place. This time, not only does he have to go to vietnam, but he also has all the bad memories from his first visit. All in all, i believe that if this particular piece is NOT fiction, they would be a very very brave person.
I thought it was very interesting that Tim O'Brien went back to Vietnam. Especially since he brought his daughter who seemed to have trouble finding the meaning of what Vietnam means to him. It was also great how he gave respect to Kiowa and some how seemed to make peace with his death.
I think that to Tim's daughter Vietnam doesn't have the same meaning. To her it's just another place on the map, but to him its a rememberance. Something he will never forget and it will stay with him forever. I can't imagine going back to the exact same place where an old friend died, i wouldn't be able to do it.
O'Brien couldn't believe how different the field looked from the last time he was there. He told his daughter that all the anger was now finished. Although he lost his best friend and the field was different, he knew he must move on. victoria.
I don't think it was the best decision for O'Brien to bring his daughter with him. She was for one very young and wouldn’t understand what really happened on those fields. I think he should have just gone by himself because he was the only one that would experience those fields of shit the way he did.
If I were Tim O'Brien, I wouldn't go back to the site of Kiowa's death because he felt personally responsible for it and it would only bring back bad memories.
ReplyDeleteIt must have been hard for Tim to go back to Vietnam after all of those years. Seeing everything change and the sights probably brought back some good and horrible memories. I thought that soldiers would hate to go back to where they fought because it brings back memories of friends dying, etc.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I think that his daughter was a little annoying, commenting on him being weird and it being boring.
I think its a good idea too go back and visit so his memory can be refreshed on the war and so he can appreciate being home a lot more.
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ReplyDeleteNear the end of this story, O'Brien talks about how all of the anger, and madness is gone from there. I think that the anger may be gone, because the war is not there anymore. However, I do not think that anger is totally gone from the minds of the people, because that anger inside of them from the war, usually stays with the people forever.
This story in the book was meaningful to me because it brought back many memories. He’s back at the field where they went through tragedy and Kiowa died. This is the field that they searched for Kiowa under the filth and much for hours. When he walked into the muddy water where they had found Kiowa’s rucksack, he took Kiowa’s moccasins and buried them in the mush. I thought this was kind of O’ Brien and I think it was a way of letting Kiowa go and not holding onto the guilt of his death.
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When Kiowa died, Tim talked about how he felt as if a part of him had died as well that night. I think that going back to that same spot in Vietnam helped him to find himself again and let go of all the grief and guilt that had happened in the past.
ReplyDeleteI think for Tim visiting Vietnam was hard also to have the courage to bring his own daughter to the same spot that his best friend had died. Everything he once remembered altered into a different state not physically but in his own appearance
ReplyDeleteI think when Tim O'brien explains that all his anger and feelings are gone and forgotten. I beleive he is just hiding the true way he feels about everything that had happened. To cope everything that had occured.
ReplyDeleteI think that Tim O’Brien feels a little frustrated with his daughter Kathleen because she doesn’t understand how he has so many memories from such a long time ago. I also think that Tim bringing Kiowa’s moccasins back to place that he had died, shows a sign of remorse; like when people bring flowers to their relatives, or friends grave stones.
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I beleive O'Brien returns to Vietnam because he feels alot of guilt, so he returns Kiowa's moccasins to his grave. He feels at ease when he does this, as he states "Twenty years. A lot like yesterday, a lot like never. In a way maybe, I'd gone under with Kiowa, and now after two decades I'd finally worked my way out"(187).
ReplyDeleteWhat does kathleen mean when she states " That old man, is he mad at you or something?"(188).
Going back to Vietnam was somthing O'Brien neede to do. His memories of this place still haunt him and he definatly needs closure. I do not think that bringing his daughter was a good idea though. She does not understand the value of where she is because she did not witness what happened in these locations.
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I think O'Brien went back to Vietnam to get some closure on everything that happended there. I also think he brought his daughter there to share the memories and excitment he has being there again. Maybe if he told her everything that happended and the whole truth she might be a little more interested instead of thinking her dad is "immature".
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I think O'Brien used this trip as a way to have closure. I would think that he would get mad at his daughter for being so impatient because this was so important to him. I think the reason why he didn't get mad was because he realized that she is just a kid and she doesn't know what warit.is really like unless you experience t
ReplyDelete“I stood with my arms folded, feeling the grip of sentiment and time. Amazing, I thought. Twenty years.” (182) This quote in this chapter stuck out to me because this trip for him had more meaning, while his daughter didn’t understand why they visited some of the things that they did.
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This chapter is about how Tim brings his daughter back to the mud field to honor Kiowa's death. All the memories come back to him, but it is sad because he feels like things valuble to him were swallowed up in the mud. The mud took away his best friend, his pride, his hopes and ambitions, and many other emotions that he carried. To help relieve him of his guilt, he buried Kiowa's shoes in the mud for closure.
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"We visited the site of Kiowa's death."(181)
ReplyDeleteHow did he feel returning to this site which holds such bad memories (losing Kiowa there)? It seems as if it would really bother someone to go there. Also, Did this bring up any past emotions which he has kept inside since the war, like post-war thoughts or flashbacks from when he was stationed over in Nam.
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I thought it was interesting how mature Tim O'Brian's daughter was for her age. Who was that old man Tim's daughter was talking about?
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It must have been hard for Tim to go back to where Kiowa died and too deal with all the pains and memories of his friends that had lost their lives fighting to keep peace. His daughter made comments that came off as rude, But for Tim at the time is was life vs. death and it was a fight for survival.
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I feel like going back to the site where Kiowa died was a good idea because it he doesn't want to forget his friend that gave his life for his country. Also I think he should talk to his child who came with him to the site because she should undrestand why this means so much to her father.
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It's interesting how his daughter acted in that story, I think he wrote it like that to show that only the people the actually experienced what happened truly understand what happened and why they feel the way they do about it.
ReplyDeleteI thought this story was basically for O'brien to remember and close his past memories of the war. He went back to all the spots and saw how it changed in the past 20 years. This was his chance to finally say goodbye to the war and Kiowa.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't get is why the old farmer raised the shovel like a flag, and looked mad.
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I think that its good that obrien went back to the feild where kiowa died. A lot went on at that feild so he kind of needed to go and visit and it was really great of him to pay his respects to kiowa
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ReplyDeleteExcellent questions posed by Tim & Julie. Let's discuss what meaning there may have been behind the old Vietnamese farmer raising his shovel.
ReplyDeleteTo return to Vietnam after he'd already served in a war must have taken a lot of courage. In my opinion, it was probably harder to return there than it was to go there in the first place. This time, not only does he have to go to vietnam, but he also has all the bad memories from his first visit. All in all, i believe that if this particular piece is NOT fiction, they would be a very very brave person.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was very interesting that Tim O'Brien went back to Vietnam. Especially since he brought his daughter who seemed to have trouble finding the meaning of what Vietnam means to him. It was also great how he gave respect to Kiowa and some how seemed to make peace with his death.
ReplyDeleteI think that to Tim's daughter Vietnam doesn't have the same meaning. To her it's just another place on the map, but to him its a rememberance. Something he will never forget and it will stay with him forever. I can't imagine going back to the exact same place where an old friend died, i wouldn't be able to do it.
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O'Brien couldn't believe how different the field looked from the last time he was there. He told his daughter that all the anger was now finished. Although he lost his best friend and the field was different, he knew he must move on.
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I don't think it was the best decision for O'Brien to bring his daughter with him. She was for one very young and wouldn’t understand what really happened on those fields. I think he should have just gone by himself because he was the only one that would experience those fields of shit the way he did.
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